Comments on: GST strikes again, this time in both English & Greek! http://grayhatforensics.secbible.org/index.php/2008/11/30/gst-strikes-again-this-time-in-both-english-greek/ The Adventures of a GrayHat in Digital Forensics Sat, 16 May 2009 07:01:20 +0100 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Thiseas http://grayhatforensics.secbible.org/index.php/2008/11/30/gst-strikes-again-this-time-in-both-english-greek/comment-page-1/#comment-187 Thiseas Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:30:10 +0000 http://grayhatforensics.secbible.org/?p=32#comment-187 It’s sad and hilarious at the same time that almost any "expert" has a different opinion about these "very?" actions. On the other hand, ok, opinions are like a bottom; everybody's got one. The only serious remarks I 've ever seen that one could get a global idea of what is going on down there..!!, is this Blog. Written by Mr DarkSyn. I really don't thing that all these defaces are more or less serious than other defaces (business as usual ;-) ). The hard part, for a person who wants to get the real msg behind this, is to know the whole story, or at least more than 70% of it. If you don't know it probably you will end-up with some wrong conclusions, focusing on the tree and loosing the forest. PS: Be argus-eyed... like the writer! It’s sad and hilarious at the same time that almost any “expert” has a different opinion about these “very?” actions. On the other hand, ok, opinions are like a bottom; everybody’s got one.
The only serious remarks I ‘ve ever seen that one could get a global idea of what is going on down there..!!, is this Blog.
Written by Mr DarkSyn.
I really don’t thing that all these defaces are more or less serious than other defaces (business as usual ;-) ).
The hard part, for a person who wants to get the real msg behind this, is to know the whole story, or at least more than 70% of it.
If you don’t know it probably you will end-up with some wrong conclusions, focusing on the tree and loosing the forest.

PS: Be argus-eyed… like the writer!

]]> By: Harry Erwin http://grayhatforensics.secbible.org/index.php/2008/11/30/gst-strikes-again-this-time-in-both-english-greek/comment-page-1/#comment-178 Harry Erwin Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:55:54 +0000 http://grayhatforensics.secbible.org/?p=32#comment-178 Why am I reminded of an alpha male monkey in a tree screaming at another alpha male monkey in a neighbouring tree? Why am I reminded of an alpha male monkey in a tree screaming at another alpha male monkey in a neighbouring tree?

]]> By: the Fish http://grayhatforensics.secbible.org/index.php/2008/11/30/gst-strikes-again-this-time-in-both-english-greek/comment-page-1/#comment-174 the Fish Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:55:05 +0000 http://grayhatforensics.secbible.org/?p=32#comment-174 It's sad and hilarious at the same time. The administrators of those pages probably have no idea about what has happened. And of course, the GST doesn't condemn ANY actions made by Greek teams. As if they do not know how many of them are racist and deface Turkish, Albanian, Bulgarian, Former-Yugoslavian (or however one wishes to call them) pages for fun. At the same time, one of the main editors of so-called neo-geek hacking magazine they mentioned is running around like crazy posting everywhere about how cool GST is. The same guy that teaches the newborns how to do an sql inj without knowing sql and how to crack cd protection using assembly without knowing assembly, standard mainstream script kiddie attitude. What's the saddest thing, that actually bugs me about the whole thing, is that all of these people, GST/"hackers"/whatever-you-want-to-call-them, do actually create part of the Greek e-world - at least when they decide to stop defacing and be a bit creative. They make sites and administrate servers themselves. It's easy to hack with milw0rm exploits random or left-to-die sites. I have seen how people like them work. And I was once a teenager as well. They _are_ what they condemn. Why? Because they spend their time doing nonsense. Cause, with the page still being online, I fail to see how they did something creative or altruistic or just important. However, when they do create something, it's as buggy, insecure and, why not, ugly as the things they mock. And many of them sometimes also work for companies and commercial projects. And they spend maybe a day or two on each project, not caring about security and quality, just to get a couple of hundreds of euros from their employer. Anything other than that is not important - they have sites to deface and be Someone. And this, combined of course with the existence of the hundreds of "developers" who are bored to learn anything, is the reason there are practically <i>almost</i> no real security specialists in Greece, nor good web developers. Cause security needs time and attention. And if you spend half your day searching how to show off and destroy stuff, it's sure you can't offer such time and attention. The only time they really care about security is when they want to protect their communities during the ddos wars. It’s sad and hilarious at the same time. The administrators of those pages probably have no idea about what has happened. And of course, the GST doesn’t condemn ANY actions made by Greek teams. As if they do not know how many of them are racist and deface Turkish, Albanian, Bulgarian, Former-Yugoslavian (or however one wishes to call them) pages for fun.
At the same time, one of the main editors of so-called neo-geek hacking magazine they mentioned is running around like crazy posting everywhere about how cool GST is. The same guy that teaches the newborns how to do an sql inj without knowing sql and how to crack cd protection using assembly without knowing assembly, standard mainstream script kiddie attitude.
What’s the saddest thing, that actually bugs me about the whole thing, is that all of these people, GST/”hackers”/whatever-you-want-to-call-them, do actually create part of the Greek e-world – at least when they decide to stop defacing and be a bit creative. They make sites and administrate servers themselves. It’s easy to hack with milw0rm exploits random or left-to-die sites. I have seen how people like them work. And I was once a teenager as well. They _are_ what they condemn. Why? Because they spend their time doing nonsense. Cause, with the page still being online, I fail to see how they did something creative or altruistic or just important.
However, when they do create something, it’s as buggy, insecure and, why not, ugly as the things they mock. And many of them sometimes also work for companies and commercial projects. And they spend maybe a day or two on each project, not caring about security and quality, just to get a couple of hundreds of euros from their employer. Anything other than that is not important – they have sites to deface and be Someone. And this, combined of course with the existence of the hundreds of “developers” who are bored to learn anything, is the reason there are practically almost no real security specialists in Greece, nor good web developers. Cause security needs time and attention. And if you spend half your day searching how to show off and destroy stuff, it’s sure you can’t offer such time and attention. The only time they really care about security is when they want to protect their communities during the ddos wars.

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